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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 18, 2006 5:06:55 GMT -5
If Jolee had turned to the dark side what do you think his impact on your crew?
[glow=red,2,300]SPOILERS[/glow]
I mean if Jolee did become corupt and fell to the opposing side Bastila, Revan and Juhani might underestimate his power. But they don't know that Jolee had actually been around the time of Exar Kun and he had been in many Jedi vs Sith wars. Not only has he have a lot of experience with the jedi but he also has a great understanding of the light and dark side, given the fact that he claimed to have left the council. But seriously I believe that there are certain secrets that Jolee has but he is too afraid to face them knowing that they could lead him to thoughts of the dark side like:
* Why he wasn't a Master
* Why his wife really fell to Exar Kun
* Why he isn't as strong as Revan and Malak
* And why couldn't he have stayed with the order whether or not it was him or if it was really that the fact of maybe the Jedi had exiled him.
[glow=red,2,300]I would like to hear your input on this debate.[/glow]
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 18, 2006 11:59:19 GMT -5
I mean if Jolee did become corupt and fell to the opposing side Bastila, Revan and Juhani might underestimate his power. But they don't know that Jolee had actually been around the time of Exar Kun and he had been in many Jedi vs Sith wars. Of course they would know that. The Jedi Archives would have records of his service during the wars. Not only that, he tells Revan stories about his past during the journey. He was never on the Council... he left the Order before becoming a Knight. Only Masters sit on the council. Jolee was very wise beyond his years, IMO... but he still lacked formal training. *He wasn't a master because when he left the Order he was still a Padawan. *His wife fell to the dark side because he attempted to train her while he was still a Padawan, and lacked the knowledge and experience to adequately prepare her for darkside temptation. *He isn't as strong as Revan and Malak because he never completed his training. *Jolee was not exiled by the Order. He left the Order because he lost faith in the Jedi Council. He felt he should have been punished for what happened to his wife, but they chose to offer him Knight status instead. He refused, and sent himself into exile. |
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Post by darthnotrevan on Sept 18, 2006 20:00:35 GMT -5
Yep, DRH is right. I remember that stuff.
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 19, 2006 4:40:01 GMT -5
*He wasn't a master because when he left the Order he was still a Padawan.
*His wife fell to the dark side because he attempted to train her while he was still a Padawan, and lacked the knowledge and experience to adequately prepare her for darkside temptation.
*He isn't as strong as Revan and Malak because he never completed his training.
*Jolee was not exiled by the Order. He left the Order because he lost faith in the Jedi Council. He felt he should have been punished for what happened to his wife, but they chose to offer him Knight status instead. He refused, and sent himself into exile.
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That's when Jolee will start questioning his previous actions, then as he cannot go back to the order because he 'might' have been exiled then the only option was to lack in combat styles. Now soon Jolee might want to improve his power. Now you tell me what do you think he might do? Sith?
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 19, 2006 10:33:55 GMT -5
 He might exile himself to live like a hermit in the Shadowlands of Kashyyyk and spend years meditating on the past present and future until he has a vast understanding of "Gray Jedi" philosophy. Jolee is a neutral Jedi because he doesn't believe in the absolutes of light and dark. He doesn't have the greed and lust for power to be a Sith. If you've followed every conversation with him in the game, you'd see he holds no anger for the past or his actions... only a sadness and hard-earned wisdom.
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 20, 2006 4:42:32 GMT -5
I read all of Jolee's issues he has with the sith and the jedi but he has more issues with the sith, because of Exar Kun turning his wife to the dark side. Now even though he doesn't exactly believe propaganda from both sides, he still figths as a jedi, and isn't it ironic that even though he has been guided to the light side adequatly he still hasn't turned to the dark side still being sagacious.
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 20, 2006 22:21:03 GMT -5
Read your own statement again.
He has more issues with the Sith than he does the Jedi.
It isn't ironic that he hasn't turned to the dark side... he's seen first hand what happens when Jedi are corrputed by evil... once you have that wisdom and understanding, chances are you won't make the same mistakes they did.
It would be more ironic if he did go dark side.
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 21, 2006 5:00:29 GMT -5
I guess you right.
But do you think he has more knowledge of the dark side than the sith? I mean he has experienced more battles on why jedi fall and how he was betrayed. But being drifted apart with the academy he hasn't understood, how to stay focused to th light yet being perfectly stable living by himself. It seems as if he has his own way of the force. If that makes sense.
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 21, 2006 7:32:58 GMT -5
Jolee is a Gray Jedi.He doesn't see the Force as being divided into dark and light... I would venture to say he believes people are capable of being good or evil, and how they choose to wield the Force is what defines it as dark or light. I think this gives him more wisdom and at least a different perspective of the Force than any Jedi Master or Sith Lord. |
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 24, 2006 4:58:39 GMT -5
I guess that makes sense now.
But do you think if he wasn't a grey Jedi, would he follow the Jedi or Sith?
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 25, 2006 11:03:46 GMT -5
I guess that makes sense now. But do you think if he wasn't a grey Jedi, would he follow the Jedi or Sith? Read your question again. He's a grey JEDI. |
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 26, 2006 4:52:33 GMT -5
Yeah I know jedi/sith. But seriously I think that it may be possible that he could become a sith lord if he wasn't grey jedi/sith.
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 27, 2006 9:55:05 GMT -5
No such thing as a grey Sith. ;D
You're entitled to your opinions, but I disagree. I think Jolee would willingly die first.
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Post by Teh Lord Asurious on Sept 29, 2006 6:29:19 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think he is that... strong enough.
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Post by darthredhead on Sept 29, 2006 7:00:46 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're underestimating him. Jolee lets his emotions guide him... it may be considered weakness to some, but IMo there's no greater strength than listening to your heart first.
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